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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4367041" data-attributes="member: 2525">No, I meant concealment, though it also applies to cover.  Yes, but that isn't the typical example. The typical example is the one mentioned in this thread - bushes.Concealment depends on line of sight.PHB pg. 273:"To determine whether you can see a target, pick a corner of your space and trace an imaginary line from that corner to any part of the target’s space. You can see the target if at least one line doesn’t pass through or touch an object or an effect—such as a wall, a thick curtain, or a cloud of fog—that blocks your vision."The line touches the corner of a square with an effect that grants concealment.  So it seems to me that you grant concealment to your foe.That is a house rule.  The rules don't talk about it, hence, it's not in the rules.  The rules say in many cases (though you can maneuver sometimes to avoid it) that you grant your target the same cover you are hiding behind.These issues should be taken into account when considering the effects of stealth.  If the ranged stealthy character is getting cover or concealment to get the stealth, they often are granting that same cover/concealment to their foe.  They need Combat Advantage just to be able to negate that penalty.  Ignoring this issue fails to account for the whole picture.</blockquote>