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<blockquote data-quote="Kordeth" data-source="post: 4399680" data-attributes="member: 5036">Correct.&nbsp;I think you're trying to think too much like &quot;hidden&quot; is a condition. It's not. &quot;the creature automatically sees you&quot; and &quot;you are no longer hidden&quot; are the same thing. There's no clear RAW indication whether moving back into cover requires a new Stealth check, but I'm inclined to say it's one check and you're &quot;stealthy&quot; in squares where you have c/c.&nbsp;Still okay. Note the wording in the Stealth skill: &quot;If you later attack or shout, you’re no longer hidden. Since he attacked before making his Stealth check, he's still hidden if he succeeds.&nbsp;Again, I agree with you, but I think you're trying to break things down into finer distinctions than you need to with this &quot;automatically perceived&quot; vs. &quot;no longer hidden&quot; stuff.&nbsp;Only if you attack after making the Stealth check.&nbsp;Is it really that hard to give the rogue his 5 points back if he decides to move less than 2 squares at the last second?&nbsp;If it really matters what square the target sees the rogue in (for purposes of OA or similar attacks) just adjust the Perception total and compare it to the Stealth total on a per-square basis. If there's a row of lightly obscured squares adjacent to the fighter and the rogue moves through one of them, subtract 5 from the fighter's Perception roll and see if it still beats the rogue's Stealth. If it does, the fighter still sees him. If not, he momentarily loses track of the slippery little weasel and doesn't spot him again until the rogue leaves the obscured square. This is a serious edge case, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kordeth, post: 4399680, member: 5036"] Correct. I think you're trying to think too much like "hidden" is a condition. It's not. "the creature automatically sees you" and "you are no longer hidden" are the same thing. There's no clear RAW indication whether moving back into cover requires a new Stealth check, but I'm inclined to say it's one check and you're "stealthy" in squares where you have c/c. Still okay. Note the wording in the Stealth skill: "If you [B]later[/B] attack or shout, you’re no longer hidden. Since he attacked before making his Stealth check, he's still hidden if he succeeds. Again, I agree with you, but I think you're trying to break things down into finer distinctions than you need to with this "automatically perceived" vs. "no longer hidden" stuff. Only if you attack after making the Stealth check. Is it really that hard to give the rogue his 5 points back if he decides to move less than 2 squares at the last second? If it really matters [i]what[/i] square the target sees the rogue in (for purposes of OA or similar attacks) just adjust the Perception total and compare it to the Stealth total on a per-square basis. If there's a row of lightly obscured squares adjacent to the fighter and the rogue moves through one of them, subtract 5 from the fighter's Perception roll and see if it still beats the rogue's Stealth. If it does, the fighter still sees him. If not, he momentarily loses track of the slippery little weasel and doesn't spot him again until the rogue leaves the obscured square. This is a serious edge case, though. [/QUOTE]

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