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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zinnger" data-source="post: 6541297" data-attributes="member: 6788910">While I do not agree that Subtle Spell allows casting with no spell material components, "... cast it without any somatic or verbal components." I do agree that ONLY this skill/ability allows the casting of a spell without being noticed.  If not, what fool would ever select Subtle Spell as one of their limited options of Metamagic?  Just do it the same way that all other casters are allowed to sneak a spell off.  The language seems pretty clear to me that the verbal must be spoken or "chanted".  RAW states very clearly that it is to be spoken with certain combinations of sounds and with "SPECIFIC PITCH".  If you whisper you have changed the pitch and therefore the magic will not operate.  (pitch is defined as - to cause to be at a particular level)  Change the level of pitch and take away the function of the magic.Somatic could be "forceful gesticulation" which is not something easily hidden from any who can see you.  Even if the person is not looking your way if you start swinging your arms like your conducting an orchestra people are going to look at you.  Intricate gestures could be compared to the detailed specifics of writing.  One small change makes an F become an E.  The intricate spellings of words matter and must be concentrated on and so does the casting of a spell that requires specific intricate movement.  Again, only the sorcerer with the Metamagic should be allowed to do this.  But this does not mean that a bard could not move a safe distance away to cast and then return.  But the use of magic in most worlds is common enough that people have seen others casting spells and know what it looks like.  You would have to find a way to completely shield yourself from view and hearing to secretly cast without the Metamagic ability of the sorcerer.  If a GM wants to change what I feel is clearly RAW they could add a feat or something but there is nothing else indicated in the rules that would allow a secret casting.</blockquote>

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