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<blockquote data-quote="Tessarael" data-source="post: 9871927" data-attributes="member: 12909"><p>Here's my detailed constructive feedback. That it with a grain of salt, just my opinion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Having seen D&D 2014 Bards in player, and having player a similar character myself with some adjustments to the class, I think they work okay as is with full spell casting progression.</p><p></p><p>Giving Bard extra attack is nice, but for most builds probably suboptimal vs. casting more effective higher level spells. You'd need to allow Bards to use their spell casting ability modifier for weapon attack/damage modifiers to make this more viable. Could work well at higher levels with good choice of spells from Magical Secrets.</p><p></p><p>More cantrips and more 1st level spells are nice, but not that important. The loss of higher level spell slots and the slowed spell casting progress is a big deal. Countersong is very situational - not useful in that many battles. Vicious Mockery as a bonus action is good, but seems like something that works better as an archetype in that regard., The problem would be if someone wants to play a Bard that doesn't make heavy use of Vicious Mockery.</p><p></p><p>The Words of Creation capstone doesn't fit well, though I know it is standard for the 5.5E Bard. I assume that by Power Word: Death you mean Power Word: Kill. You're giving them 9th level spells, even though they're a 3/4 spell casting progression class. Something like the A5E Viruoso capstone for Bard might make more sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tessarael, post: 9871927, member: 12909"] Here's my detailed constructive feedback. That it with a grain of salt, just my opinion. :) Having seen D&D 2014 Bards in player, and having player a similar character myself with some adjustments to the class, I think they work okay as is with full spell casting progression. Giving Bard extra attack is nice, but for most builds probably suboptimal vs. casting more effective higher level spells. You'd need to allow Bards to use their spell casting ability modifier for weapon attack/damage modifiers to make this more viable. Could work well at higher levels with good choice of spells from Magical Secrets. More cantrips and more 1st level spells are nice, but not that important. The loss of higher level spell slots and the slowed spell casting progress is a big deal. Countersong is very situational - not useful in that many battles. Vicious Mockery as a bonus action is good, but seems like something that works better as an archetype in that regard., The problem would be if someone wants to play a Bard that doesn't make heavy use of Vicious Mockery. The Words of Creation capstone doesn't fit well, though I know it is standard for the 5.5E Bard. I assume that by Power Word: Death you mean Power Word: Kill. You're giving them 9th level spells, even though they're a 3/4 spell casting progression class. Something like the A5E Viruoso capstone for Bard might make more sense. [/QUOTE]
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