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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8588407" data-attributes="member: 93670">I suppose it depends on the definition of Capital C&amp;E &quot;Cruel &amp; Evil Magic&quot;. BoVD was a great book for what it was, but much of it was so dark it was almost unusable on a PC without a situation like the one time I<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/ravenloft-horror-safety-tools.679760/post-8261784" target="_blank"> used mindrape on a pc</a> due to going so far past nail biting terror into c ttrpg war crimes.&nbsp; Strife is something I have not yet used at all with fatigue still kinda nibbling around the edges with it as a GM &amp; in both cases it's because I want the players to recognize them as things that are on the table without needing some kind of dual key ICBM launch warning.&nbsp;&nbsp; It probably doesn't matter much if the spells are limited to strife specifically, strife &amp; fatigue, or strife fatigue &amp; whatever one off evil mwhahaha that sprouts up around a spell&nbsp; so much as if most of them fall into the levelup demilich style &quot;ohgodohgodohgod I can see that getting used easily&quot; end of the scale where players can see them getting used by a random badguy in a random filler adventure instead of just by THE BBEG after months of buildup.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8588407, member: 93670"] I suppose it depends on the definition of Capital C&E "Cruel & Evil Magic". BoVD was a great book for what it was, but much of it was so dark it was almost unusable on a PC without a situation like the [I]one[/I] time I[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/ravenloft-horror-safety-tools.679760/post-8261784'] used mindrape on a pc[/URL] due to going so far past nail biting terror into c ttrpg war crimes. Strife is something I have not yet used at all with fatigue still kinda nibbling around the edges with it as a GM & in both cases it's because I want the players to recognize them as things that are on the table without needing some kind of dual key ICBM launch warning. It probably doesn't matter much if the spells are limited to strife specifically, strife & fatigue, or strife fatigue & whatever one off evil mwhahaha that sprouts up around a spell so much as if most of them fall into the levelup demilich style [I]"ohgodohgodohgod I can see that getting used easily"[/I] end of the scale where players can see them getting used by a random badguy in a random filler adventure instead of just by THE BBEG after months of buildup. [/QUOTE]

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