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<blockquote data-quote="jester47" data-source="post: 1394408" data-attributes="member: 2238"><p>Thanks BC, I really appreciate the challenges.</p><p></p><p>Takyris, I think you would like the language in Steven Erikson's books then. It is very coloquial. And I am not sure if it is High Fantasy- It seems sort of Dark Fantasy but not quite S&S. Its slow, but if you like that then hey check it out because once you get the story, its a cool story. (Great Burger sir, but why the styrofoam box and not a silver platter...) Somtimes the styrofoam is part of what makes the burger great... I don't like high fantasy language either (did I say I was really picky about what I liked? I am really picky!). I think I just like complex sentences. Aside from my previously stated background, lots of study in latin leads to such an appreciation also. </p><p></p><p>As writers go my tastes run to Leiber, Howard, Moorcock, Beagle, Vance, Lovecraft, Tolkien (Hobbit), Salvatore (when he wants to write) and LeGuin more than Eddings, Brooks, Erikson, McKiernan, Tolkien (Rings), and Slavatore (when hes forced to write). I have not made my mind up about Dunsany.</p><p></p><p>I like people that are willing to change point of view- I am most fond of first person (in all the ways it can be done), and third person objective and third person limited. Third person omniscient is ok if done well, (ussually in cause and effect stories) but most of the time it makes for a boring story because there is no surprise. Third person Rotating Limited is cool if it hands off when characters meet (the way Saramago does in <u>Blindness</u> but otherwise I find it annoying if it just jumps around (the way Erikson uses it for example).</p><p></p><p>Outside of Fantasy I really like to read Louis L'Amour (I wish I could write fantasy like he writes westerns), Umberto Eco (and his translator), Saramago (and his translator), Perez-Referte (and his translator), Cohelo (and his translator), Tim O'Brian, I rmember liking Hemmingway but I havent read him in a while, Gibson in Neuromancer, and Renault (the king must die), just to name a few.</p><p></p><p>As a side note, it seems writers are much better when they are doing what they want rather than trying to satisfy a demand. (go figure). Salvatores early Drizzt stuff is good. But his Jarlaxle and Entreri stuff is far better IMO. I found Servant of the Shard an excellent read, and his short stories with Entreri and Jarlaxle are great also. I look forward to more from those two. </p><p></p><p>I read some pages of Martin while I was on break at work. I liked his flow and command of the language, but from what I have heard I don't know if I will be to oterribly excited about his story. We will have to see. Jordan (from the occasional chapter I have read isnot that bad but I know he describes too much for my tastes (it would be cool to get a red letter edition of his books out where you could read them get the basic description and if you want more read some of the black letters).</p><p></p><p>Well, thats enough for me toady!</p><p></p><p>Aaron.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jester47, post: 1394408, member: 2238"] Thanks BC, I really appreciate the challenges. Takyris, I think you would like the language in Steven Erikson's books then. It is very coloquial. And I am not sure if it is High Fantasy- It seems sort of Dark Fantasy but not quite S&S. Its slow, but if you like that then hey check it out because once you get the story, its a cool story. (Great Burger sir, but why the styrofoam box and not a silver platter...) Somtimes the styrofoam is part of what makes the burger great... I don't like high fantasy language either (did I say I was really picky about what I liked? I am really picky!). I think I just like complex sentences. Aside from my previously stated background, lots of study in latin leads to such an appreciation also. As writers go my tastes run to Leiber, Howard, Moorcock, Beagle, Vance, Lovecraft, Tolkien (Hobbit), Salvatore (when he wants to write) and LeGuin more than Eddings, Brooks, Erikson, McKiernan, Tolkien (Rings), and Slavatore (when hes forced to write). I have not made my mind up about Dunsany. I like people that are willing to change point of view- I am most fond of first person (in all the ways it can be done), and third person objective and third person limited. Third person omniscient is ok if done well, (ussually in cause and effect stories) but most of the time it makes for a boring story because there is no surprise. Third person Rotating Limited is cool if it hands off when characters meet (the way Saramago does in [U]Blindness[/U] but otherwise I find it annoying if it just jumps around (the way Erikson uses it for example). Outside of Fantasy I really like to read Louis L'Amour (I wish I could write fantasy like he writes westerns), Umberto Eco (and his translator), Saramago (and his translator), Perez-Referte (and his translator), Cohelo (and his translator), Tim O'Brian, I rmember liking Hemmingway but I havent read him in a while, Gibson in Neuromancer, and Renault (the king must die), just to name a few. As a side note, it seems writers are much better when they are doing what they want rather than trying to satisfy a demand. (go figure). Salvatores early Drizzt stuff is good. But his Jarlaxle and Entreri stuff is far better IMO. I found Servant of the Shard an excellent read, and his short stories with Entreri and Jarlaxle are great also. I look forward to more from those two. I read some pages of Martin while I was on break at work. I liked his flow and command of the language, but from what I have heard I don't know if I will be to oterribly excited about his story. We will have to see. Jordan (from the occasional chapter I have read isnot that bad but I know he describes too much for my tastes (it would be cool to get a red letter edition of his books out where you could read them get the basic description and if you want more read some of the black letters). Well, thats enough for me toady! Aaron. [/QUOTE]
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