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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 9801226" data-attributes="member: 710">I am not playing 3E anymore and don't really intend to, but a discussion of saving throws reminded me of a few pecularities in 3E that I might wish to fix: Base Attack ProgressionClassses with +1 BAB per Level gain a progression of 4 per level.Classses with 3/4 BAB per level gain a progression of 3 per level.Classes with a 1/2 BAB per level gain a progression of 2 per level.Your effectice BAB is equal to the sum of your Attack Progression divided by 4.The Monk class grants +4 progression for unarmed and monk weapons only, and +3 progression for non-monk weapons. Flurry of Blows can be used with unarmed strikes and monk weapons, it only applies to the attacks on the Monk's turn, and the penalty is always -2. Saving Throw ProgressionTHere is a good, moderate and weak saving throw progression. If your class has a moderateprogression on a save, it grants a +1 class bonus to the save, if it has a good progression, it grants a +2 bonus. (Since it's a named bonuses, bonuses from different classes don't stack, so you can't stack up on the first level benefits by multi-classing). A good progression grants you 6 progression points per level, a moderate 5 and a weak 4. Divide your total progression points by 12 and round down.Saving Throw Changes by ClassThe Fighter gets a notable ugprade to their saving throws, everyone else gets a smaller one usually. Saves not mentioned are always weak.Fighters have a good Fortitude Save, Moderate Reflex and good Will Save. Wizards get a moderate Reflex Save, Sorcerors a moderate Fortitude Save, both have a good Will Save. Rogues get a good Reflex Save and moderate Fortitutude and Will Save.Rangers get good Fortitude save and moderate Will and Fortitude SavePaladins get a good Fortitude Save and a moderate Will Save. Barbarians get a good Fortitude Save and modeate Will and Reflex Saves.Bards get a good Will Save and moderate Reflex and Will Save. Monks get all good saves.Clerics get a good Fortitude and a good Will Save. Druids get a good Will Save and moderate Reflex and Fortitude Saves.Skill and Skill Points: Every class that gets only 2 skill points level gets 4 instead.Every class adds Knowledge (Local) to its skill list.Cross-Class skills cost 1 skill point per rank, but are limited to a max rank of 2+1/2 Level. If you multi-class and a skill is only class skill for some of your classes, the limit is 3+(+1 per class level as class skill and +1/2 per class level as cross-class skill). Hide and Move Silently are combined to Stealth, Listen and Spot to Perception. Fighters add Knowledge (History) to their class skill list.Fighters gain a choice at first level: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Knightly Training: Add Diplomacy, Knowledge (Nobility and royality) and Speak Language to your class skills.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Regimental Training: Add Heal, Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering) and Knowledge (Geography) to your class skills.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Scout Training: Add Stealth and Perception to your class list.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Watch Training: Add Gather Information and Sense Motive to your Class list.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mixed Training: Add any 2 skills from two different lists. </li> </ul></blockquote>

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