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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9389254" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I mean, I guess? It's just very frustrating because while it can be played by itself, it is an add-on. It's just a fully-featured add-on, as it were. But people make all sorts of grandiose claims (usually disparaging and false) about it BECAUSE they claim it's a "new edition" in exactly the same way 3.5 was, that 4e "only lasted two years" etc. etc. I know I'm touchy about this topic but like...at least this one specific thing I can say purely objectively, without any fear of contradiction, that Essentials emphatically was not a "new edition". Giving concessions to folks who say objectively false things about 4e is...well, as I said, pretty annoying. Even if it was some folks' first impression of 4e, and thus felt to them like "the new edition"...it really was all 4e.</blockquote>