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<blockquote data-quote="eyelessgame" data-source="post: 3365121" data-attributes="member: 49177"><p>I'm reasonably fluent at this point with the grapple rules. But I just attacked a low-level party with stirges and I don't think the stirge's attach power is written very clearly.</p><p></p><p> In the stat block stirges have a grapple of "-11 / +1 when attached".</p><p></p><p>The problem was that we couldn't envision how a stirge really counts as grappling in all the ways grappling works. The sorcerer, with a stirge attached, couldn't cast a magic missile on it, because he was grappled. He couldn't take a move action to walk over to the cleric without first winning a grapple check, which he made at a disadvantage compared with this cat-sized creature that was attached and draining his blood.</p><p></p><p>I know I can houserule it. I just wanted to know if I'm missing something. Perhaps the +12 ought to be "only to resist being removed", instead of being a bonus to all grapple checks while being attached. Or perhaps the special +12 should come with a proviso "The stirge's grapple check is at +12, but the target does not count as being grappled, in the same way that a creature may choose to roll grapple checks at -20 to grapple without being grappled."</p><p></p><p>Does that make sense to others? Am I misreading it to start with?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eyelessgame, post: 3365121, member: 49177"] I'm reasonably fluent at this point with the grapple rules. But I just attacked a low-level party with stirges and I don't think the stirge's attach power is written very clearly. In the stat block stirges have a grapple of "-11 / +1 when attached". The problem was that we couldn't envision how a stirge really counts as grappling in all the ways grappling works. The sorcerer, with a stirge attached, couldn't cast a magic missile on it, because he was grappled. He couldn't take a move action to walk over to the cleric without first winning a grapple check, which he made at a disadvantage compared with this cat-sized creature that was attached and draining his blood. I know I can houserule it. I just wanted to know if I'm missing something. Perhaps the +12 ought to be "only to resist being removed", instead of being a bonus to all grapple checks while being attached. Or perhaps the special +12 should come with a proviso "The stirge's grapple check is at +12, but the target does not count as being grappled, in the same way that a creature may choose to roll grapple checks at -20 to grapple without being grappled." Does that make sense to others? Am I misreading it to start with? [/QUOTE]
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