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<blockquote data-quote="eyelessgame" data-source="post: 3365354" data-attributes="member: 49177"><p>While I agree with your conclusions, I think that the rules of English and logic are such that your argument is technically wrong. If X is grappling Y, it follows as a direct logical consequence that Y is being grappled by X. If the stirge is grappling its prey, its prey is being grappled by the stirge.</p><p></p><p>It is modified by a weaselly adverb, though. It is <em>effectively</em> grappling its prey. That is, the effect of the attach is to grapple. But we generally use the word 'effectively' to mean 'in essence', that is, it's happening in practicality even though in some literal sense it's not.</p><p></p><p>I don't think there's a way the rule can be read, as written, in a sense other than the stirge, by attaching, grapples its target, which is exactly equivalent to saying the target is grappled by an attached stirge (even if the target is 2+ sizes larger than it -- that's what the extraordinary attach ability of the stirge means, in part). But I think the "effectively" was added with the <em>intention</em> of indicating that this does not mean the target is treated as being grappled in <em>all</em> respects -- but the writeup doesn't go on to say what the exceptions might be.</p><p></p><p>So I'm left to houserule a gray area, and use common sense (something often foreign to the operation of d20 rules). I think a Concentration check for spellcasting, and ruling that the stirge does not impede movement, is a decent choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eyelessgame, post: 3365354, member: 49177"] While I agree with your conclusions, I think that the rules of English and logic are such that your argument is technically wrong. If X is grappling Y, it follows as a direct logical consequence that Y is being grappled by X. If the stirge is grappling its prey, its prey is being grappled by the stirge. It is modified by a weaselly adverb, though. It is [i]effectively[/i] grappling its prey. That is, the effect of the attach is to grapple. But we generally use the word 'effectively' to mean 'in essence', that is, it's happening in practicality even though in some literal sense it's not. I don't think there's a way the rule can be read, as written, in a sense other than the stirge, by attaching, grapples its target, which is exactly equivalent to saying the target is grappled by an attached stirge (even if the target is 2+ sizes larger than it -- that's what the extraordinary attach ability of the stirge means, in part). But I think the "effectively" was added with the [i]intention[/i] of indicating that this does not mean the target is treated as being grappled in [i]all[/i] respects -- but the writeup doesn't go on to say what the exceptions might be. So I'm left to houserule a gray area, and use common sense (something often foreign to the operation of d20 rules). I think a Concentration check for spellcasting, and ruling that the stirge does not impede movement, is a decent choice. [/QUOTE]
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