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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aboyd" data-source="post: 4388001" data-attributes="member: 44797">The D&D game I'm in recently pushed through a dungeon even after the spell casters had run out of spells.  We (the sorc & my cleric) were using up wands and scrolls and then pretty much just shooting crossbows.The final battle was a wimpy spell casting derro, but because he had entropic shield and a fly spell and something that gave him extra bonuses from missiles (maybe the derro's built-in darkness?) we were stuck on the ground, feeling miserably ineffective.  Our barbarian would leap & swing, and typically miss by inches.  After many rounds, as I was staring at my remaining non-combat scrolls and trying to make them into something effective, I thought I might use stone shape to shape a slab in the ceiling to detach.This worked, but MAN did we have to make it up as we go along.  We didn't know how much it weighed, so we guessed 1000 pounds.  The rules compendium said 1d6 damage per 200 pounds per 10' dropped, so from 15' we figured 5d6.  We weren't sure of what kind of saves the derro might get, if any, so we set a DC of 10 + caster level + wisdom bonus (18 total, and the derro made that save, taking half damage).I now know that granite of the size I made (4' x 4' x 1' thick) would weigh about 3000 pounds.  If it were marble or slate, about 2500 pounds.  Concrete, about 2300 pounds.My question to you all is, has this already been formalized?  Is there a walkthrough somewhere for this tactic?  What kind of saves (if any) are "correct?"And while I'm here, bonus question: if I want to shape rock into a very tight coffin-ish form that basically seals a person in place (maybe with a breathing hole so they can plead for their life), how can the "sealed" person get out?  What kind of rules would you put down for escape?  Can they burst it?  How do you figure damage?  At my level it looks like I could encase someone in stone about 6 inches thick all around.Could a person save if the stone forms around them, or would the stone shape just form around their movement?  What kind of save would THAT be?</blockquote>

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