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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Xanaqui" data-source="post: 4393721" data-attributes="member: 56394">In my opinion, Stone Shape is one of the nastiest spells in the book to deal with as a DM. In various editions, I've had multiple vampire lords die from Stone Shape (in one case, to act as a channel for a river; in the other case, to drop the vampire into the trap underneath which was created through lots of stone shapes (with accessory spells)). Typically, I rule that non-combat spells are less effective than combat spells when used in a combat matter. I likely would have given it 5d6 + Ref save (either for none or 1/2, depending on my mood), or perhaps an attack roll for 5d6, purely based on its level (by the DMG, a single-target Cleric spell should do around 10d6 at LV 3). At absolute maximum, I'd cap it at 10d6 for its spell level (again, using the DMG guideline).If I permitted it, I'd at least permit a reflex save. I would, however, be tempted to disallow tight entrapment of a mobile creature with this spell (an immobile creature, however, would be fair game with no save). The attack spells I'd compare this to would be Hold Person/Hold Monster; this seems stronger, so I'd allow any movement ability the ability to escape it, or I'd give a massive bonus on the Reflex save (+10?).If it did succeed, we have this from the SRD, so I'd 1/4 the HP (115), and reduce the break DC by alot (to 30?):Hewn stone (3 ft. thick)          Hardness: 8          HP:540          Break DC:50</blockquote>

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