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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dragonwriter" data-source="post: 5648667" data-attributes="member: 54988">In defense of CharOp: making a skilled/strong character is not "munchkinism". Doing so by attempting to exploit rules loopholes, bother the DM into allowing something just to shut you up, or to intentionally overshadow other characters is "munchkinism". "Munchkin" is also most-often used in a derogatory manner, so it can incite anger in folks, even if you were not intending to do so.And picking a "weak" class isn't necessarily a bad thing. Fighter has a number of things going for it, particularly early-on. Most optimizers will tell you to ditch out after 2 or 4 levels, but Fighter is often suggested for scoring some decent HP, BAB and bonus feats.Picking something to intentionally make a weak character, when the rest of the party is competent/good... well, that's an issue, in my eyes. But I trust you wouldn't do such a thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Very rare is the level 1 feat that is fantastic right off the bat. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />And those that are usually get nerfed. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />It is a PF sheet... And FWIW, I totally agree with Herobizkit on what a pain this sheet is for players.I'm working on my Swashbuckler (as I will start with Swash to give the character a more skillful flair)... I'll be using Set 1 (9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 18). The trouble is allocating those scores. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> I had hoped for a reasonably-charismatic character, the classic dashing swordsman style. I'll just have to fiddle with the numbers and see what I can come up with. I may end up with a fencer-brute, as strange as that sounds.</blockquote>

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