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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1710860" data-attributes="member: 17296">Perhaps, perhaps... perhaps.Of course, I believe that this post was written from the perspective of someone who was planning on taking rogue at some time in his build. Therefore the skills do matter. Sure, a fighter X rogue 1 is missing some bab. But a Fighter4 Ranger 7 Barb 5 Rogue 4 is only missing one BAB. And he's gotten some nice class skills for that sacrifice. And he'd be screwed if he wanted ... for roleplaying reasons, to start the build as a fighter. Now, sure, there are arguements saying starting as a barb for the HP boost would be the way to go. But if you do want skills...And many campaigns are very skill drivenIf you want and like skills, if they're encouraged and rewarded in the game you're in, we'll, you're royally screwed if you don't start as a rogue at level one. And you're sill using the levels either way. But... well, I personally don't see why it should be so very harmful to start out as a fighter, and pick up rogue skills later. Why is the later rogue hurt so much more than the later fighter?And sure, many non-rogue buildsd don't care. But then, by definition a build with a rogue in it does care. And this penalty for not starting out as a rogue, where skills are more than 1/2 the class, is tantamount to saying that you don't get the first bonus fighter feat unless you start a fighter at first level. Or you don't get your first rage if you don't start as a barbarian. Etc.</blockquote>

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