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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1712785" data-attributes="member: 17296">Interestingly enough, you are the only person I've ever heard express that opinion. Interesting to me, anyhow... I do like to hear alternate opinions. Sure, people may not be taking the rogue level for the skills... but if/when they do, they generally wish that they had taken it first. I've never heard anyone else espouse that it would be better to take it later.Of course, the question... "How much does 4 skill points really mean" can be equally said as "how much does one BAB really mean." Even moreso for the BAB, because you get full BAB for your level no matter when you take it. You only get "full initial" skill points at first level. Four points in spot may not mean much. But four points in 8+ skills does. Or 6+, as you already get four in 2+ for fighter. And four points may not mean much... unless you plan on building those four up later, then they mean a lot.I don't know... I've always wanted/needed *every* skill point. Four points extra in spot is awesome, as far as I'm concerned. That's 20% greater chance of spotting something. Improving your skill by 20% in six skills is a pretty important thing to many people.And, of course:4) Few ranks in tumble spot,search etc5) Skill points to meet PRC skill requirements.Both of those are so very much better satisfied by taking it at level one. Well, number five can sometimes be better if you take rogue later. That is, if you're only taking one level. You can put ALL your skill points in one skill if you take rogue late enough in levels. But still, if you've bought into rogue in the first place (paid the one BAB less to get it), you're almost a fool for not taking at least that second level for evasion. Almost. There are some reasons not to. And then there are some for going all the way up to level four rogue, at five you'd have to buy in with another BAB...But, in general, I'd bet that more people take one level of rogue for initial skill points than they do for one die of sneak attack. Or saves... If they wanted saves, they'd spend that BAB to buy into monk instead.</blockquote>

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