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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patman21967" data-source="post: 2066938" data-attributes="member: 19260">The source of the problemI hate to say it, but this stems from Computer and Video RPG's, where you can rest to regain spells and HP after every encounter, and have no problem with searching every object. Even the best Rogue, while in an unfamiliar setting, can miss something. I HATE the "take 20". I also hate players who must rest after casting a few spells...If they find a safe place, I allow them to rest, if they try to rest too much, I harass the crap out of them, with 1 Kobold at a time, to dirupt their rest. I GM a game, and play in one, the one I play in, I am a Rogue. I handle the searches, scouting, recon and all for our group. I NEVER "take 20" because, in character, I am a cocky fellow with a really good skill, so I ASSUME I will find it. The minute a fighter or a mage decides to take 20 to seach for something, is the minute I stop looking, or stop revealing what I find. I do not tell them how to swing their sword, or which spells to cast, they don't tell me how to search.</blockquote>