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Storm Pillar: Does forced movement apply?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 4804199" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>It may be because you seem to be making false assumptions and then declaring them to be The Truth.</p><p></p><p>For example, you said that the position that runs contrary to yours is "consumer conjecture" and therefore not a fact. </p><p></p><p>However, it is as factual as all other evidence concerning the interpretation of a set of rules in a game. Consumers of a game like this one are not inexpert in the field they are commenting on. Indeed, another name for consumer for this system is playtester, and playtester opinion was used to formulate the rules to begin with. When your experienced peers on this kind of topic formulate an argument concerning a vague portion of the rules, it's of course not "fact", but it also may well be the best analysis available on a fairly factless topic, and therefore not irrelevant. When something is unclear, analyzing it using experts is the best course of action. And the answer to that analysis is more analysis of your own - not dismissal of it.</p><p></p><p>Another false assumption you made is "recollections are poor substitutes for facts". </p><p></p><p>But you are assuming recollections and facts are mutually exclusive. They are not. Recollections are another word for witness testimony, considered a high form of evidence (or "proof" as you would say) in all nations of the world. And while witness testimony can be faulty (as can many things, including authors of rules), the fact that it can be faulty does not equate with claiming it's not a fact. Baring anything to the contrary, witness testimony in this case is, so far, the best "proof" we have, unless you have some "proof" of your own to put forward.</p><p></p><p>So it's not necessarily that people are overly sensitive in reaction to you. You may simply be wrong, and not yet considering the possibility that you are wrong. You may also be taking their tone a bit personally yourself, and projecting your own sensitivity concerning that on to others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 4804199, member: 2525"] It may be because you seem to be making false assumptions and then declaring them to be The Truth. For example, you said that the position that runs contrary to yours is "consumer conjecture" and therefore not a fact. However, it is as factual as all other evidence concerning the interpretation of a set of rules in a game. Consumers of a game like this one are not inexpert in the field they are commenting on. Indeed, another name for consumer for this system is playtester, and playtester opinion was used to formulate the rules to begin with. When your experienced peers on this kind of topic formulate an argument concerning a vague portion of the rules, it's of course not "fact", but it also may well be the best analysis available on a fairly factless topic, and therefore not irrelevant. When something is unclear, analyzing it using experts is the best course of action. And the answer to that analysis is more analysis of your own - not dismissal of it. Another false assumption you made is "recollections are poor substitutes for facts". But you are assuming recollections and facts are mutually exclusive. They are not. Recollections are another word for witness testimony, considered a high form of evidence (or "proof" as you would say) in all nations of the world. And while witness testimony can be faulty (as can many things, including authors of rules), the fact that it can be faulty does not equate with claiming it's not a fact. Baring anything to the contrary, witness testimony in this case is, so far, the best "proof" we have, unless you have some "proof" of your own to put forward. So it's not necessarily that people are overly sensitive in reaction to you. You may simply be wrong, and not yet considering the possibility that you are wrong. You may also be taking their tone a bit personally yourself, and projecting your own sensitivity concerning that on to others. [/QUOTE]
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