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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8297532" data-attributes="member: 16814">No.  Skilled play is not fiat enforcing outcomes, nor matter which side of the screen.  This is because it doesn't really matter what the input is, the output is the same.  I get that you want the quote marks to mean something, but I don't see it.  And, on this topic, I believe I was the first to point at B/X play as enabling skilled play.  I do not see any distinction or specialness to OSR skilled play that warrants the quotation marks.  It's just skilled play in that game.Well, you keep bringing up the use of skill checks (or checks in general) as a differentiating point for skilled play.  It occurred to me there might be confusing, as checks are a common touchstone in your arguments.This is just engaging a different mechanic -- asking the GM to decide in your favor.  The issue with this as skilled play in 5e is that this kind of adjudication is susceptible to GM Force, and it's difficult to detect.  It's absolutely possible that the GM is adhering to strong principles for adjudication and deems that this action clearly would work with what's established (both in play and in notes).  On the other hand, I don't think this is a common way to play 5e, meaning that each ask will be up to the GM who will likely be considering the betterment of the story as an input.  And, to be 100% clear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this approach -- it's one I very much use when I'm running 5e.  Its just not conducive to skilled play.If the GM is doing a clear job of principled adjudication, then, yes, this is a route for skilled play.  Iserith champions this approach, and he very much has a principled approach.  (I didn't @ him because he's currently blocking me so it doesn't really matter.)  However, Iserith also receives quite a lot of pushback on these forums when he champions this approach.  It isn't necessary, though.  Even if every interaction is a check, then the players can still leverage the system to improve chances because they understand how adjudication will work.Ultimately, this is a key necessity -- the players must be aware of how things will be adjudicated and that adjudication must be consistent in order to deploy skilled play.  There is no specific method of adjudication that is required.</blockquote>

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