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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8299289" data-attributes="member: 42582">There's a lot packed into your suggested alternative.I'm going to stick to BW as my example. I hope that's OK.Action failure might cause loss of a relationship or companion. Certainly might cause loss of an asset - that's a standard "go to" consequence for failure. Certainly injury to a sword-arm, though the game is light on permanent debuffs to skills (it does have permanent debuffs to stats, but these don't feed through to already-established skills). Maiming could be a consequence in some circumstances, though.It's harder for the game to force a change in conception of self or philosophy - the player would have to make this choice based on what has been revealed. But unhappy truths can certainly be revealed, which can generate increasing cognitive dissonance between established fiction and those conceptions, and perhaps that's exactly what you have in mind.I expect BW play to generate those consequences. When they're happening, on the one hand I can't say I relish it - my character is being put through the wringer! - but on the other hand it's part of the point of play. So I don't see it as a loss condition in the way that going into Moldvay's dungeon, putzing around, losing some hp to a random encounter with some fire beetles, and then leaving with basically no treasure and hence no XP would be.Turning again to BW - the contrast I would draw between it and the Green Knight is that the Green Knight really requires author stance: if you go in just in actor stance I think your prospects of winning are pretty low. (Like playing a reckless Conan-esque type of character in a 1st level classic D&D game.)Whereas I think BW can be played in actor stance. (It doesn't have to be.) So you have to address the fiction, but you don't have to think - in author stance - about leveraging the fiction in the specific sorts of game-winning ways that The Green Knight forces onto you.Now having said that, I reckon I could enjoy playing (as opposed to GMing) the Green Knight in a way that I don't enjoy classic dungeoneering so much, because the skills it calls on are pretty different and it wouldn't test my patience in the way Gygaxian skilled play (and a lot of other technically skilful game play) does.</blockquote>

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