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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8303659" data-attributes="member: 71699">Pun Pun is ideal evidence for it. Pun Pun was created in order to demonstrate how far charop in 3rd ed + splatbooks could overshadow other play. From the forum -Pun Pun was not intended to be played. He was intended to show what was possible with charop. Each time you have asked for examples, you have quibbled the examples. And often not on the terms that the example was requested for. For example with the force example, the quibble was that it felt like it was teaching. We were not debating teaching, we were debating if force could be used in any way positively.I say that without umbrage. God knows I struggle to make my arguments clearly and show the generosity to others arguments that I would like to. I'd like to do better and I hope you might take the above in good faith.</blockquote>