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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4960895" data-attributes="member: 5143">Yeah.  I mean, the guy was REALLY good at describing things.  He wove an awesome story.  I'm probably going to go back to see if things are at all different next week.  We started late, he didn't know he was going to be running D&D when I showed up.  He had to come up with a story on the fly, and I got the impression a couple of times that he was talking, mostly so that he could get the stuff he was making up on the fly out of his head as soon as they occurred to him.He said he'd actually plan something for next week.  I'll see if his style changes.They used to.  Apparently, they've been playing 4e for a year now, despite wanting to play other systems because they've advertised their game publicly, and the players who show up keep requesting 4e games.But I get the impression that it fits their style a bit better in a couple of ways.  When the DM says "There are 40 guys out there" he can run a battle against 40 1st level fighters and have them pose a real threat to the group.  And have the battle not be a TPK.  On the other hand, in 4e those 40 guys who are 1st level would likely kill a 4e party of 5th level without really blinking.  And if you make them all minions....they may not pose much of a threat at all unless you make them level 5 or 6 minions.  And with Wizards and Swordmages around...they might be able to burst them all into death quickly.In their complaint post about 4e, their main complaint was "It is impossible for monsters to win against PCs, because PCs are horribly overpowered and unbeatable."  Swordmage was listed as an example because it allowed them to kill 8 minions at a time, which was horribly broken.  The second issue was "No craft, profession, and perform" and without those skills, roleplaying was impossible.Yeah, I currently play in a weekly game.  I was just looking to find new experiences.  My weekly game is kind of the EXACT opposite.  Too much opposite for me sometimes.  The DM starts saying "The room is..." and by the time they get that much out, we have 4 players talking to each other about WoW, the newest feat they got for their character last level, or their favorite moment from the last combat.We've actually had a player say "Are you done talking yet so we can kill things?"  The PCs in this game nearly ALL average 30 damage a round with their at-will attacks at 12th level.  I'm considered the weak one in the group because I only do 1d10+12 Brutal 2 against bloodied creatures.  They mostly got that power by using Power Attack/Bloodclaw/Iron Armbands, by using Frost Weapons/Lasting Frost/Bloodmage, or Powerful Charge/Howling Strike/Power Attack/Reckless Weapon.This is a group that when I brought up the "You're a half-elf?  Really?" thread to them, one of them playing a Warforged said "I play up that I'm a warforged all the time" and I said "I think you mentioned it once...back when we were level 2, 6 months ago."  He said, "Well, how am I supposed to mention it?  Warforged aren't any different from humans."</blockquote>

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