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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4908488" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>No, they are not mutually exclusive and nor should they be.</p><p></p><p>After all, story is THE MOST IMPORTANT element of an RPG according to Gygax's little study. The most important. Not second, not barely registered, it's the single most important element of an RPG. If a game has no story involved, then people do not consider it to be an RPG.</p><p></p><p>If they did consider it an RPG, then Story would not be so important.</p><p></p><p>Every single session of an RPG that has ever been played is an exercise in creating collaborative stories. Every single one. You cannot play a single session of any RPG without creating a collaborative story. The point of view of the player does not change that. Whether you are forced by the mechanics to a single viewpoint or allowed multiple viewpoints doesn't change the fact that every single session of every single RPG out there is an exercise in collaborative story telling.</p><p></p><p>In every single session of every single RPG, you have character, you have plot and you have setting. In every single session of every single RPG, you have at least two players (a player and a DM) playing out the interaction between those characters. If you have character, and plot and setting, you have story. Where you have two people creating that story, you have collaborative story telling.</p><p></p><p>The story might be very basic - go to the cave and kill everything you find - but there is still a story there. </p><p></p><p>While I suppose you could argue that there is a plot in Hungry Hungry Hippos, it's pretty damn hard to find. And, again, it's pretty much pointless to have a definition of role playing game that includes HHH and not SotC.</p><p></p><p>Now here's another question for you EW. What if I play multiple characters? Am I role playing or am I story telling? What about games where roles are switched during play - Ars Magica for example - which allows different players to play the mage at different times. Is that role playing or not?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4908488, member: 22779"] No, they are not mutually exclusive and nor should they be. After all, story is THE MOST IMPORTANT element of an RPG according to Gygax's little study. The most important. Not second, not barely registered, it's the single most important element of an RPG. If a game has no story involved, then people do not consider it to be an RPG. If they did consider it an RPG, then Story would not be so important. Every single session of an RPG that has ever been played is an exercise in creating collaborative stories. Every single one. You cannot play a single session of any RPG without creating a collaborative story. The point of view of the player does not change that. Whether you are forced by the mechanics to a single viewpoint or allowed multiple viewpoints doesn't change the fact that every single session of every single RPG out there is an exercise in collaborative story telling. In every single session of every single RPG, you have character, you have plot and you have setting. In every single session of every single RPG, you have at least two players (a player and a DM) playing out the interaction between those characters. If you have character, and plot and setting, you have story. Where you have two people creating that story, you have collaborative story telling. The story might be very basic - go to the cave and kill everything you find - but there is still a story there. While I suppose you could argue that there is a plot in Hungry Hungry Hippos, it's pretty damn hard to find. And, again, it's pretty much pointless to have a definition of role playing game that includes HHH and not SotC. Now here's another question for you EW. What if I play multiple characters? Am I role playing or am I story telling? What about games where roles are switched during play - Ars Magica for example - which allows different players to play the mage at different times. Is that role playing or not? [/QUOTE]
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