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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ExploderWizard" data-source="post: 4919774" data-attributes="member: 66434">Your first two points are at odds with each other unless the player is in fact playing a character that is aware that he/she exists in a story world and can identify his/her author. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Are these things gamers are doing at the game? I would say yes probably. Would they be doing all this while  roleplaying? Probably not.  My original point wasn't about exclusivity or heavy immersionism. Our sessions are sometimes 50% or more OOC chatter and BS since we only get to play and really see each other every two weeks at best. We are not roleplaying our characters when we start rambling about movies, TV shows, and other non-game related topics but we are engaging at that activity at the table. That doesn't make what we are doing part of roleplaying any more than narration/editing during the action does.</blockquote>