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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bid" data-source="post: 6771511" data-attributes="member: 6801270">The second 16 has a heavy cost.Would you rather start 16 14 14 12 10 8 or 16 16 14 10 8 8 (after variant human racial)?There is life outside of combat, if you gimp your mental stat you become a 1-dimensional cardboard hero.Don't mind that inconsistent holier-than-thou old geezer, it's not his lawn anyway.EDIT: revisiting UL plan and starting 15 14 14 13 11 8 (racial) with a Str+1 feat and resilient later on is also interesting.</blockquote>