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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 1103124" data-attributes="member: 1757">Back to topic:Why on earth does everyone think that SoK is overpowered? The spell requires an absurdly difficult to get material component, is 8th level, and bestows an enhancement bonus to Strength which maxes out at +20. You're talking a +10 damage bonus that doesn't stack with the usual +3 damage bonus (from a +6 belt of Strength) that will be common at these levels and that lasts for only one minute per level. Moreover, keep in mind that SoK is balanced with 3.0 rules, not 3.5. In 3.0, you could cast a triple-empowered bull's strength for an average Str bonus of +9 that lasted all day and incurred no material component cost or component-based limitation.  Generally, when one gets to these levels, casters aren't really so well off using their high-level spells to give their fighter buddies non-stackable buffs. I'd sooner have a horrid wilting on hand than an SoK. That said, sure there's a bunch of stuff in R&R and R&RII that's not so well-balanced, but I'm with James McMurray on R&R, at least (I DON'T think that R&RII is "utter trash," though it hasn't seen much use IMC; I do like the paladin spells in it, though).</blockquote>