Strafing?

[Ghost2020]

So one can do a strafe (4 or so 5x5 areas) if they have the burst and strafe feat.
What if the player wants to do a strafe and they don't have the feat?
Give them a -4 or something?
Just trying to head off at the pass what my players will no doubt do when we play.

 

[Alchemist]

So one can do a strafe (4 or so 5x5 areas) if they have the burst and strafe feat.
What if the player wants to do a strafe and they don't have the feat?
Give them a -4 or something?
Just trying to head off at the pass what my players will no doubt do when we play.

That is correct. They take a -4 penalty to the attack roll when trying to autofire without the Advanced Firearms Proficiency feat.

Edit: As an aside, you do a square 10x10 area when you autofire, no burst feat required. You don't get to pick your 4 squares. The Strafe feat allows you to do 4 squares in a straight line. One may not strafe without that feat, period. Maybe I need to read a bit closer before answering questions.

 

[Ghost2020]

That is correct. They take a -4 penalty to the attack roll when trying to autofire without the Advanced Firearms Proficiency feat.

Edit: As an aside, you do a square 10x10 area when you autofire, no burst feat required. You don't get to pick your 4 squares. The Strafe feat allows you to do 4 squares in a straight line. One may not strafe without that feat, period. Maybe I need to read a bit closer before answering questions.

Ok, lets assume they have the advanced firearms prof feat. What if they want to just strafe an area? It's going to happen, that a player will ask...do we slap on penalties (-4 or -8) or just flat out say 'no, ya can't do that' (which I think will not go over well).

I'd lean towards the penalty, maybe -6 or something like that. Telling a player that they fire on auto fire, and pull the gun to the left or right, it's impossible, that'll never fly. I'd rather let them try, and just penalize the crap out of them.
(ie: they simply do not have enough skill or practice to control the firearm).
Just a thought.

 

[Alchemist]

Ok, lets assume they have the advanced firearms prof feat. What if they want to just strafe an area? It's going to happen, that a player will ask...do we slap on penalties (-4 or -8) or just flat out say 'no, ya can't do that' (which I think will not go over well).

I'd lean towards the penalty, maybe -6 or something like that. Telling a player that they fire on auto fire, and pull the gun to the left or right, it's impossible, that'll never fly. I'd rather let them try, and just penalize the crap out of them.
(ie: they simply do not have enough skill or practice to control the firearm).
Just a thought.

I would apply the same penalties that apply to attempting to burst without the appropriate feat, since there is something of an analogue in situations.

One can, of course, lay down the fire and swing the gun around. Not being "trained" (ie, no feat) means, to me anyways, you waste a whole bunch of bullets and hose perhaps 2 of the 4 squares, at best. That is, you could autofire, but since you're not specifying a 10x10 area, you get a portion of your 10x10 area, 2 contiguous squares of the 4. If that makes any sense to you.

Let me try a picture:

Autofire does this:

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**

You want to do this:

****

I would let you do it, but you'd only really have a shot at 2 of the 4, since autofire only affects a 10x5 line in front of you, like this:

+**+

With + being squares that you sprayed, but did not have enough control to really effect. Pick any 2 contiguous squares to effect.

That would be what I would do, anyways.

Edit: I don't know the difference between affect and effect, apparently.

 

[Ghost2020]

Let me try a picture:

Autofire does this:

**
**

You want to do this:

****

I would let you do it, but you'd only really have a shot at 2 of the 4, since autofire only affects a 10x5 line in front of you, like this:

+**+



Nice examples. I'll use that and keep it in mind when that comes up (and it will).

 

[Ranger REG]

So one can do a strafe (4 or so 5x5 areas) if they have the burst and strafe feat.
What if the player wants to do a strafe and they don't have the feat?
Give them a -4 or something?
Just trying to head off at the pass what my players will no doubt do when we play.

If a player wants to do a strafe without the feat, he ends up doing an autofire area attack (a large 10-by-10 square area).

If a player wants to do a burst without the feat, he ends up doing a normal attack (1 round). The remaining rounds (4 or 2) are wasted.

 

[Ghost2020]

If a player wants to do a strafe without the feat, he ends up doing an autofire area attack (a large 10-by-10 square area).

If a player wants to do a burst without the feat, he ends up doing a normal attack (1 round). The remaining rounds (4 or 2) are wasted.

Thanks Ranger, but as I stated, I'm aware of that...just trying to deal with the potential player arguments (see above).
Some player's simply won't settle for that 'you can't do it' answer.

 

[Ranger REG]

All right, I'll give some near-impossible "roll 21 on a d20" rules:

Offer attacker a -4 penalty to strafe with AC 10 to beat. Offer those inside the strafed area DC 5 to evade damage.

The burst fire is still the same: only one bullet attack, the rest is wasted.