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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 7778233" data-attributes="member: 8461">Which shouldn't be an issue if you only want to face off against a higher-level NPC. This isn't a question of "attacking a monster that's immune to damage," or "attacking a greater deity." Those, after all, have stats that you can examine to see why that wouldn't work (well, most of the deities don't yet, but there are some <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/240211/Gods-and-Goddesses-a-5th-Edition-Supplement" target="_blank">great supplements</a> for that). This is just a character that's higher-level than the PCs, and yet has been expressly declared to be invincible insofar as they're concerned. That's an element of railroading, akin to telling the PCs "you don't want to go into the forest? Okay, but every other direction is blocked off by massive flooding. Indefinitely. You can try to go through the floodwaters, but you'll take 1d6+8 damage per round, every round, no save. You probably want to go through the forest." Presenting a choice of "my way or your characters will die" is a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice" target="_blank">Hobson's choice</a>, which is simply no choice by another name. That's not really something you want to teach in a starter set. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm    :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />EDIT: And in an attempt to head off the inevitable reduction ad absurdum, no, this doesn't mean that the DM should never disallow things. If a character has no particular means of attempting something, then they have no method to even make the attempt; likewise some attempts are guaranteed to fail due simply due to the scope of what's being attempted (e.g. your character can't destroy a mountain in one hit). But that's not what's being discussed here. What's being discussed here is something that is normally permitted under the game rules being disallowed by the GM (not just by explicitly saying no, but also by making all such attempts automatically fail where they wouldn't otherwise) for the purpose of trying to advance a particular plot/narrative progression over the players' agency. That's the issue that I'm raising.</blockquote>

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