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<blockquote data-quote="whatisitgoodfor" data-source="post: 142658" data-attributes="member: 932"><p>IIRC, the listed size for a fairy is Tiny. Looking in the PHB at the examples for creature size, and thinking back on what I remeber of the race, they have faries listed as being too large. </p><p></p><p>Again, IIRC (sorry, I didn't like my copy of MR too much) the fairy was described as being less than a foot tall, and weighing a couple of pounds. Going by the PHB, that would make them Diminutive rather than fine.</p><p></p><p>So, there the problem lies in FFG's application of the rules rather than the rules themselves. </p><p></p><p>***********</p><p>CRGreathouse:</p><p></p><p>The argument isn't that Halflings are too weak, its that small races in general get the shaft. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I think that Halflings should keep their -2 to Str, since (according to the picture, and my mental image) they are a very light and gracile race. However, Gnomes should not have that -2 to Str.</p><p></p><p>The only reason I can see that they got it is that they are small. IMO, that is not a suitable justification for giving a race a penalty to Str. </p><p></p><p>**********</p><p>The justifications I can imagine for giving races a bonus/penalty based on their size are thus:</p><p></p><p>1) carrying capacity: Smaller races shouldn't be able to carry as much, and should therefore have a lower Str.</p><p></p><p>1r) This is wrong because there is already a multiplier that changes carrying capacity based on Str. Fixing a problem twice is never a good idea.</p><p></p><p>2) Damage dealing: Smaller races can't bring as much leverage and body mass into a blow, and should therefore deal less damage on every attack.</p><p></p><p>2r) This is moot because smaller races are already required to use smaller weapons. Since smaller weapons deal less damage, this problem has already been adressed, and should not be "fixed" again.</p><p></p><p>3) Skills: Smaller races should be inherently worse at skills that require raw strength.</p><p></p><p>3r) The skills that require Str are Climb, Jump, and Swim. Each one of these skills deal with moving your own body somehow, and should have the character's body weight factored in. Therefore, either smaller races should get a bonus to these skills similar to their bonus to hide, or the Str penalty should be removed from the general description of smaller races.</p><p></p><p>4) Psionic Powers: Everyone knows that the most feared Psions are those that are larger. </p><p></p><p>4r) Using the Optional Core Psionic rules, along with the MM, the larger the base creature, the better it is at using Psychometabolism and Psychokinetic powers. I'm fairly certain that this was never intended.</p><p></p><p>****************</p><p>All together, I think it would make the scalability of 3e much, much better. While the current system works, a few minor changes like this could make it work a lot more seamlessly. (The wheel may roll, but who says its round <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="whatisitgoodfor, post: 142658, member: 932"] IIRC, the listed size for a fairy is Tiny. Looking in the PHB at the examples for creature size, and thinking back on what I remeber of the race, they have faries listed as being too large. Again, IIRC (sorry, I didn't like my copy of MR too much) the fairy was described as being less than a foot tall, and weighing a couple of pounds. Going by the PHB, that would make them Diminutive rather than fine. So, there the problem lies in FFG's application of the rules rather than the rules themselves. *********** CRGreathouse: The argument isn't that Halflings are too weak, its that small races in general get the shaft. Personally, I think that Halflings should keep their -2 to Str, since (according to the picture, and my mental image) they are a very light and gracile race. However, Gnomes should not have that -2 to Str. The only reason I can see that they got it is that they are small. IMO, that is not a suitable justification for giving a race a penalty to Str. ********** The justifications I can imagine for giving races a bonus/penalty based on their size are thus: 1) carrying capacity: Smaller races shouldn't be able to carry as much, and should therefore have a lower Str. 1r) This is wrong because there is already a multiplier that changes carrying capacity based on Str. Fixing a problem twice is never a good idea. 2) Damage dealing: Smaller races can't bring as much leverage and body mass into a blow, and should therefore deal less damage on every attack. 2r) This is moot because smaller races are already required to use smaller weapons. Since smaller weapons deal less damage, this problem has already been adressed, and should not be "fixed" again. 3) Skills: Smaller races should be inherently worse at skills that require raw strength. 3r) The skills that require Str are Climb, Jump, and Swim. Each one of these skills deal with moving your own body somehow, and should have the character's body weight factored in. Therefore, either smaller races should get a bonus to these skills similar to their bonus to hide, or the Str penalty should be removed from the general description of smaller races. 4) Psionic Powers: Everyone knows that the most feared Psions are those that are larger. 4r) Using the Optional Core Psionic rules, along with the MM, the larger the base creature, the better it is at using Psychometabolism and Psychokinetic powers. I'm fairly certain that this was never intended. **************** All together, I think it would make the scalability of 3e much, much better. While the current system works, a few minor changes like this could make it work a lot more seamlessly. (The wheel may roll, but who says its round ;) ) [/QUOTE]
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