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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ourchair" data-source="post: 5544784" data-attributes="member: 85362">The way I see it, the frustration that comes from STR Clerics as well as the Paladin, is that the PHB isn't really well written in how it advises new players on how to get started with it, or isn't particularly consistent about it.I got started role-playing on 4e (despite having purchased Marvel Super Heroes and WEG Star Wars two decades ago and never getting the chance to use them ) and it's weird.It's like they tell you "Rogues! DEX should be your primary stat and make STR yr secondary if yr Brutal or CHA if yr Artful!" and all such stuff like that but the Paladins and Clerics don't really make it clear why you're prioritizing certain stats.As such, many people I know have played Paladins and Clerics who fall behind players wo play classes that are easy to grok mathematically (Fighters and Wizards) because they spread out their attributes too thinly, not realizing -- because the PHB never thought to mention it -- that spreading those stats thin can put you at a disadvantage.That problem has never been damaging in most of our groups' games mostly because the DM deliberately chooses to fudge the numbers on the fly, but if people who are playing the game RAW and alongside Optimizers like myself, it can be tough.</blockquote>