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Strength Damage Bonus for Lance?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2065218" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>But it's not supported!</p><p></p><p>Especially when he starts giving Disarm bonuses to a longsword.</p><p></p><p>"The wielder of a two-handed weapon on a disarm attempt gets a +4 bonus on this roll, and the wielder of a light weapon takes a –4 penalty."</p><p></p><p>A longsword is a one-handed weapon. But he says it's a two-handed weapon, and gets the +4, because you're using it in two hands. (Despite, again, repeated references in the rules to 'a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands'.)</p><p></p><p>But then he goes on to say that a light weapon wielded in two hands <em>doesn't</em> get the +4 bonus. If a longsword is a two-handed weapon just because it's wielded in two hands, then surely, so is a dagger. It's also a light weapon, so the +4 and -4 would cancel each other out... but despite no support for a dagger being treated differently to a longsword, he makes up one unsupported rule for the longsword, and then adds an unsupported exception to apply to the dagger.</p><p></p><p>(As opposed to the Str bonus, since it explicitly states that a weapon wielded in two hands <em>other than a light weapon</em> gets 1.5x, so that's okay. ... or would be, had he not stated that a weapon wielded in two hands is a two-handed weapon, which means that it <em>should</em> get the 1.5x bonus, since the two-handed weapon text carries no such restriction on light weapons. Not surprisingly, since when the rules were written, it was likely never suspected that someone would write an FAQ answer saying that one-handed weapons can turn into two-handed weapons!)</p><p></p><p>And, of course, by the logic in the FAQ, if the phrase 'two-handed' refers to how the weapon is being used, then surely the phrase 'one-handed' must also. So a greatsword - a two-handed weapon - must be wielded in two hands... unless you wield it in one hand, in which case it's a one-handed weapon, and thus is no longer required to be wielded in two hands.</p><p></p><p>Intent is murky. "Makes more sense" is subjective. The RAW, at least, can be objectively parsed.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2065218, member: 1656"] But it's not supported! Especially when he starts giving Disarm bonuses to a longsword. "The wielder of a two-handed weapon on a disarm attempt gets a +4 bonus on this roll, and the wielder of a light weapon takes a –4 penalty." A longsword is a one-handed weapon. But he says it's a two-handed weapon, and gets the +4, because you're using it in two hands. (Despite, again, repeated references in the rules to 'a one-handed weapon wielded in two hands'.) But then he goes on to say that a light weapon wielded in two hands [i]doesn't[/i] get the +4 bonus. If a longsword is a two-handed weapon just because it's wielded in two hands, then surely, so is a dagger. It's also a light weapon, so the +4 and -4 would cancel each other out... but despite no support for a dagger being treated differently to a longsword, he makes up one unsupported rule for the longsword, and then adds an unsupported exception to apply to the dagger. (As opposed to the Str bonus, since it explicitly states that a weapon wielded in two hands [i]other than a light weapon[/i] gets 1.5x, so that's okay. ... or would be, had he not stated that a weapon wielded in two hands is a two-handed weapon, which means that it [i]should[/i] get the 1.5x bonus, since the two-handed weapon text carries no such restriction on light weapons. Not surprisingly, since when the rules were written, it was likely never suspected that someone would write an FAQ answer saying that one-handed weapons can turn into two-handed weapons!) And, of course, by the logic in the FAQ, if the phrase 'two-handed' refers to how the weapon is being used, then surely the phrase 'one-handed' must also. So a greatsword - a two-handed weapon - must be wielded in two hands... unless you wield it in one hand, in which case it's a one-handed weapon, and thus is no longer required to be wielded in two hands. Intent is murky. "Makes more sense" is subjective. The RAW, at least, can be objectively parsed. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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