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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rogerd1" data-source="post: 8576804" data-attributes="member: 7030973">Strength is a weird one to be honest, and pretty much highlights how strength scales utterly fail in most rpg's, as both calisthenic / gymnasts are incredibly strong in some ways.For lifting weights you start light, and gradually add weight.Calisthenics is all about do the exercise progressions, which are damn tough. With calisthenics you can spend literally six months failing, such that you pick yourself up and keeping pushing in. It requires a certain fortitude of mind.You have wiry, but incredibly strong lifters like Athlean-X (Jeff Cavalier) who cannot fully match the calisthenics but fills the middle ground. Even Thanos rates him! Then you get Erik Barsi who has taken calisthenics to a level to virtually rival the Shaolin monks!. He does a full planche on four fingers (two fingers on each hand).Then you get the Mountain who can out lift them all many times over. Ask him to do ten pullups and he'll fail as physics does not allow it in human beings. Same way that a full one armed handstand push up, off a wall is physically impossible for us. You would literally need to lift a ton on one arm.</blockquote>