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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5956228" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>I'm not in the "theme eats class" crowd. I'm in the crowd of "themes are the Cookie Monster, backgrounds are Oscar the Grouch, and classes are sometimes cookies that either do or do not get eaten or thrown out improperly, if you don't pay attention." <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p> </p><p>Or to put it another way, some classes aren't really cookies but something else, and need to be preserved as classes. And other classes are highly tasty cookies that deserve to be eaten by themes. And yet other classes are moldy fruit cake cookies left over from Christmas before last, forgotten in the back of the closest, and really should be quickly trashed as soon as we notice them. </p><p> </p><p>The only thing "iconic" or "popular" brings to the table <strong>as far as good design is concerned</strong> is that the more iconic or popular the class, the more you want to make sure you pay extra attention, and treat it as it deserves. That sales/marketing/internat rage will sometimes indicate another course, is only to state the truth that sales/marketing/internet rage are not always sympatico with good design. I see that truth as something to be guarded against and grudgingly tolerated, not celebrated as a great virtue. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5956228, member: 54877"] I'm not in the "theme eats class" crowd. I'm in the crowd of "themes are the Cookie Monster, backgrounds are Oscar the Grouch, and classes are sometimes cookies that either do or do not get eaten or thrown out improperly, if you don't pay attention." :lol: Or to put it another way, some classes aren't really cookies but something else, and need to be preserved as classes. And other classes are highly tasty cookies that deserve to be eaten by themes. And yet other classes are moldy fruit cake cookies left over from Christmas before last, forgotten in the back of the closest, and really should be quickly trashed as soon as we notice them. The only thing "iconic" or "popular" brings to the table [B]as far as good design is concerned[/B] is that the more iconic or popular the class, the more you want to make sure you pay extra attention, and treat it as it deserves. That sales/marketing/internat rage will sometimes indicate another course, is only to state the truth that sales/marketing/internet rage are not always sympatico with good design. I see that truth as something to be guarded against and grudgingly tolerated, not celebrated as a great virtue. :p [/QUOTE]
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