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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6179200" data-attributes="member: 1465">I really like subclasses starting at 3rd level, it makes all sense if levels 1-2 are apprentice tier, in fact I'd like they do so also for Mage, Ranger and Cleric who currently get it earlier."Knight" however I can see being a bit controversial, depending on what it means... The most common concept is probably that of a mounted noble warrior anyway, so it's quite ok to have it as a Fighter subclass starting after apprentice tier. I have to say however that I was pleasantly surprised a year ago to see it as a background, because it could be used for all classes: a Paladin Knight is fairly obvious, but also something like a Wizard Knight was quite interesting. As a background, it meant a society role rather than a fighter specialization, and thus a role outside adventures. Maybe more simil-historical than gamist, and certainly for me this made it intriguing and refreshing. However, the knight-as-background concept is not far from noble, it's not exactly the same but we don't need both at all costs.Eventually it's another case of my personal problems with this playtesting process, that they come up with something interesting, I make an effort to understand it, then it starts growing on me, then they change their mind and remove it... :/</blockquote>