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<blockquote data-quote="el-remmen" data-source="post: 8486543" data-attributes="member: 11">I like giving them the same or similar goals as the PCs, it is just the means or what they plan to do with that goal that the PCs may object to - thus leading to dramatic tension regarding if and how to even try and stop the villain.In my &quot;Out of the Frying Pan&quot; campaign, there were two main &quot;villains&quot; (or villain groups). One was a half-fiend gnome seeking out the legendary interdimensional fortress Hurgun's Maze, which the PCs were also seeking for. They sought it to fix the dangerous planar bleed it was causing in the area. Mozek, the evil gnome, wanted to harness its power to free his demon mommy trapped inside and then start taking over and corrupting people. The other recurring villain was actually a member of the same order as the PC wizard, who was violating their precepts to politically stabilize the region by freeing some evil drow witches who would return to the Underdark undermining unified drow force bound to attack the surface in the quest to return to power. The PCs had to decide if all the terrible things that could happen with these powerful figures free was worth that potential goal. He and the PCs had the same goal of protecting the area - but the rival wizard was willing to let innocents die for a so-called &quot;greater good.&quot;A much more straightforward villain in my &quot;Second Son of a Second Son&quot; was from an adaptation of the Savage Tide AP - the scion of a wealthy family fallen on hard times, who like the PCs was trying to prove his worth in the social circles of the magocracy, but instead of trying to do good (as the PCs were), he was happy to cause chaos so his name and influence (and fear of him) would spread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="el-remmen, post: 8486543, member: 11"] I like giving them the same or similar goals as the PCs, it is just the means or what they plan to do with that goal that the PCs may object to - thus leading to dramatic tension regarding [I]if and how[/I] to even try and stop the villain. In my "Out of the Frying Pan" campaign, there were two main "villains" (or villain groups). One was a half-fiend gnome seeking out the legendary interdimensional fortress Hurgun's Maze, which the PCs were also seeking for. They sought it to fix the dangerous planar bleed it was causing in the area. Mozek, the evil gnome, wanted to harness its power to free his demon mommy trapped inside and then start taking over and corrupting people. The other recurring villain was actually a member of the same order as the PC wizard, who was violating their precepts to politically stabilize the region by freeing some evil drow witches who would return to the Underdark undermining unified drow force bound to attack the surface in the quest to return to power. The PCs had to decide if all the terrible things that [I]could[/I] happen with these powerful figures free was worth that potential goal. He and the PCs had the same goal of protecting the area - but the rival wizard was willing to let innocents die for a so-called "greater good." A much more straightforward villain in my "Second Son of a Second Son" was from an adaptation of the Savage Tide AP - the scion of a wealthy family fallen on hard times, who like the PCs was trying to prove his worth in the social circles of the magocracy, but instead of trying to do good (as the PCs were), he was happy to cause chaos so his name and influence (and fear of him) would spread. [/QUOTE]

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