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<blockquote data-quote="Legildur" data-source="post: 2873581" data-attributes="member: 1258">Exactly.&nbsp; Unearthed Arcana was aware of this and included rules around using the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/bellCurveRolls.htm" target="_blank">3d6 bell curve</a> instead of a single d20. (blasphemy, I know, but there you have it)I have read somewhere (DMG perhaps?) where it says for some skill checks to roll a single d20 and then add the individual PCs' skill modifiers to the die result to derive their individual skill check results.&nbsp; I think the discussion was around Spot checks, otherwise there is a high probability that at least someone will see the craftily hidden ambusher simply because of rolling 4 lots of d20 and the probability of obtaining at least one high result.&nbsp; Could you apply the same method in the situation with the door?But what bugs me is when the 18 Strength fighter assists the 24 Strength raging half-orc barbarian in lifting a portcullis and gets a higher result, which may be enough to open the portcullis on his own, but is wasted as the fighter only needs a DC 10 result to assist the barbarian and the result is discounted.&nbsp; In these sorts of situations, we have house ruled that the higher of the two results is used with the +2 from the assistance if the other character made the DC 10 check.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Legildur, post: 2873581, member: 1258"] Exactly. Unearthed Arcana was aware of this and included rules around using the [URL=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/bellCurveRolls.htm]3d6 bell curve[/URL] instead of a single d20. (blasphemy, I know, but there you have it) I have read somewhere (DMG perhaps?) where it says for some skill checks to roll a single d20 and then add the individual PCs' skill modifiers to the die result to derive their individual skill check results. I think the discussion was around Spot checks, otherwise there is a high probability that at least someone will see the craftily hidden ambusher simply because of rolling 4 lots of d20 and the probability of obtaining at least one high result. Could you apply the same method in the situation with the door? But what bugs me is when the 18 Strength fighter assists the 24 Strength raging half-orc barbarian in lifting a portcullis and gets a higher result, which may be enough to open the portcullis on his own, but is wasted as the fighter only needs a DC 10 result to assist the barbarian and the result is discounted. In these sorts of situations, we have house ruled that the higher of the two results is used with the +2 from the assistance if the other character made the DC 10 check. [/QUOTE]

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