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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6121221" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, well, IME the rules are written from a perspective that all transitions are instantaneous and immediate, and their effects are applied immediately. I know that still allows for different interpretations in the cases you gave (and a number of their analogs), but as you've noted, issues arise because you can't run ALL effects/conditions as "effects later on" consistently, and then things start to get ugly. Plainly whomever was editing the rules initially assumed that something like a daze would be processed immediately (this is rather more than hinted at in the step 5 of attack procedure in PHB1 as well). Likewise a character just IS dying when he/she its 0 or less hit points, there's no process of transitioning to dying, you just ARE dying at that point, its a consequence not a process. I've found these are the best interpretations in general.There are other weirdnesses, try literally applying the letter of the rules for Hunter's Quarry, the results are quite strange...</blockquote>