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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 5637257" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>Look at this from the Illithid's point of view first: it's attempting a grapple against a stunned fighter with FoM. It makes a touch attack, which succeeds - simple, really, since the Fighter loses his Dex bonus to AC and takes a further -2 penalty on top of that. Next, it makes an <strong>opposed </strong>grapple check to establish a hold. If it succeeds, it is now grappling the stunned Fighter.</p><p></p><p>What does that mean for the Fighter? He has to roll a grapple check even though he can't take an action. That is because the Illithid has taken an action that requires an <strong>opposed </strong>grapple check. The Fighter has FoM running, so he auto-succeeds on his grapple check <strong>to oppose the Illithid's grapple attempt</strong>. The grapple attempt consequently fails.</p><p></p><p>What that means is the following: once FoM is up, everybody who takes an action against the spell's recipient that would require an opposed grapple check will be unsuccessful.</p><p></p><p>Note that if the Illithid had been grappling the Fighter first, before he received the FoM spell, the Illithid could not continue damaging the Fighter or attach the rest of his tentacles, because those require opposed grapple checks. But the Fighter wouldn't automaticall come free, either, but would remain grappled until he could take an action to escape from the grapple.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 5637257, member: 78958"] Look at this from the Illithid's point of view first: it's attempting a grapple against a stunned fighter with FoM. It makes a touch attack, which succeeds - simple, really, since the Fighter loses his Dex bonus to AC and takes a further -2 penalty on top of that. Next, it makes an [B]opposed [/B]grapple check to establish a hold. If it succeeds, it is now grappling the stunned Fighter. What does that mean for the Fighter? He has to roll a grapple check even though he can't take an action. That is because the Illithid has taken an action that requires an [B]opposed [/B]grapple check. The Fighter has FoM running, so he auto-succeeds on his grapple check [B]to oppose the Illithid's grapple attempt[/B]. The grapple attempt consequently fails. What that means is the following: once FoM is up, everybody who takes an action against the spell's recipient that would require an opposed grapple check will be unsuccessful. Note that if the Illithid had been grappling the Fighter first, before he received the FoM spell, the Illithid could not continue damaging the Fighter or attach the rest of his tentacles, because those require opposed grapple checks. But the Fighter wouldn't automaticall come free, either, but would remain grappled until he could take an action to escape from the grapple. [/QUOTE]
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