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<blockquote data-quote="DMFTodd" data-source="post: 990130" data-attributes="member: 1202">Troublemaker.Held &quot;freezes you in place&quot; and the target &quot;cannot take any physical actions, even speech&quot;.&nbsp; Stunned only says &quot;you cannot take any actions&quot;. So Held is more extreme than being stunned. I'm picturing stunned as being a little wobbly, you're moving a bit, you're not helpless, you just don't get enough move to qualify as an action. Held is complete - you freeze in place. So on that, I'd say you fall. Further: a winged creature who is held &quot;cannot flap it's wings and falls&quot;. I don't let special effects of a spell/power (I'm an old Champions player) affect how something works. Am I going to penalize the cleric with travel domain who flies by &quot;sprouting wings&quot; but let some PC munchkin off the hook because his flight &quot;is like Magneto&quot;. No, have to rule consistently. They both fall. And lastly, fly says it &quot;takes as much concentration as walking&quot;. I'll stretch that to mean that it also takes some movement akin to walking. -----------------All of that reasoning is mostly crap. We had a consensus, why'd you go and mess it up? ;(</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DMFTodd, post: 990130, member: 1202"] Troublemaker. Held "freezes you in place" and the target "cannot take any physical actions, even speech". Stunned only says "you cannot take any actions". So Held is more extreme than being stunned. I'm picturing stunned as being a little wobbly, you're moving a bit, you're not helpless, you just don't get enough move to qualify as an action. Held is complete - you freeze in place. So on that, I'd say you fall. Further: a winged creature who is held "cannot flap it's wings and falls". I don't let special effects of a spell/power (I'm an old Champions player) affect how something works. Am I going to penalize the cleric with travel domain who flies by "sprouting wings" but let some PC munchkin off the hook because his flight "is like Magneto". No, have to rule consistently. They both fall. And lastly, fly says it "takes as much concentration as walking". I'll stretch that to mean that it also takes some movement akin to walking. ----------------- All of that reasoning is mostly crap. We had a consensus, why'd you go and mess it up? ;( [/QUOTE]

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