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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 498519" data-attributes="member: 7211">There's a debate going in the rules forum about stunning attack. Its over 4 pages, but I will boil it down. The feat states it is a supernatural ability, and supernatural abilities require a standard action to perform, thus it could not be used as part of a full-attack action. This lends to a more focus-the-ki-then-strike sort of effect, which is still useful, though obviously not as powerful as it &quot;used to be&quot; for everyone that used it with multiple attacks.Therefore:Instant Stunning Attack [Feat]You gather your ki at a moments thought.Prerequisite: Stunning FistBenefit: You may make a stunning attack as part of any attack action as a free action once per round.Normal: A stunning attack is a supernatural ability which requires a standard action to use.Stunning Smite [Feat]Your stunning attack is especially powerful.Prerequisite: Stunning Fist, BAB +7Benefit: Once per day you may declare one of your stunning attacks to be a stunning smite. This is a powerful attack which grants your WIS modifier to attack roll (if positive) and your monk level to damage.Special: You may take this feat more than once, each time you do you may use Stunning Smite 1 additional time per day.Ki Focus [Feat]You are very enlightened.Prerequisite: Monk Level 4+Benefit: The DC for any of your special attacks are at +2. You also have a +2 bonus against any other monks' special attacks.Just some ideas, I think it could work either way but would probably leave it up to the-would-be-monk player!Technik</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 498519, member: 7211"] There's a debate going in the rules forum about stunning attack. Its over 4 pages, but I will boil it down. The feat states it is a supernatural ability, and supernatural abilities require a standard action to perform, thus it could not be used as part of a full-attack action. This lends to a more focus-the-ki-then-strike sort of effect, which is still useful, though obviously not as powerful as it "used to be" for everyone that used it with multiple attacks. Therefore: Instant Stunning Attack [Feat] You gather your ki at a moments thought. Prerequisite: Stunning Fist Benefit: You may make a stunning attack as part of any attack action as a free action once per round. Normal: A stunning attack is a supernatural ability which requires a standard action to use. Stunning Smite [Feat] Your stunning attack is especially powerful. Prerequisite: Stunning Fist, BAB +7 Benefit: Once per day you may declare one of your stunning attacks to be a stunning smite. This is a powerful attack which grants your WIS modifier to attack roll (if positive) and your monk level to damage. Special: You may take this feat more than once, each time you do you may use Stunning Smite 1 additional time per day. Ki Focus [Feat] You are very enlightened. Prerequisite: Monk Level 4+ Benefit: The DC for any of your special attacks are at +2. You also have a +2 bonus against any other monks' special attacks. Just some ideas, I think it could work either way but would probably leave it up to the-would-be-monk player! Technik [/QUOTE]

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