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<blockquote data-quote="Ranger REG" data-source="post: 943591" data-attributes="member: 533"><p><span style="color: skyblue">* snipped for brevity *</span></p><p></p><p>Yup, that's the rules lawyer speaking. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>While I agree the monk class is poorly written that the most literal-minded would find a lot of ambiguities, even for a rulebook format that goes above and beyond to make it sound like a legal textbook (even I would not use the <em>D&D Third Edition Core Rulebook</em> as an example of professional book writing, even for a 3rd grade English class, no offense), a lot of us got past the literal description by our own mindset of what a monk is, at least for <em>D&D</em> and <em>AD&D.</em></p><p></p><p>While unarmed strike is not listed in the <strong>Weapon and Armor Proficienies,</strong> it is listed as a separate entry for the monk class.</p><p></p><p>But I digress. While technically, a monk's stunning attack and Stunning Fist feat are two separate attributes, despite the similar game mechanics, many of us consider the monk's stunning attack as a "virtual feat" or a substitute to the Stunning Fist feat prereqs.</p><p></p><p>Let's hope that 3.5e would be more rules-lawyer proof, or be easy on the literal-minded readers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ranger REG, post: 943591, member: 533"] [COLOR=skyblue]* snipped for brevity *[/color] Yup, that's the rules lawyer speaking. :p While I agree the monk class is poorly written that the most literal-minded would find a lot of ambiguities, even for a rulebook format that goes above and beyond to make it sound like a legal textbook (even I would not use the [i]D&D Third Edition Core Rulebook[/i] as an example of professional book writing, even for a 3rd grade English class, no offense), a lot of us got past the literal description by our own mindset of what a monk is, at least for [i]D&D[/i] and [i]AD&D.[/i] While unarmed strike is not listed in the [b]Weapon and Armor Proficienies,[/b] it is listed as a separate entry for the monk class. But I digress. While technically, a monk's stunning attack and Stunning Fist feat are two separate attributes, despite the similar game mechanics, many of us consider the monk's stunning attack as a "virtual feat" or a substitute to the Stunning Fist feat prereqs. Let's hope that 3.5e would be more rules-lawyer proof, or be easy on the literal-minded readers. ;) [/QUOTE]
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