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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4644706" data-attributes="member: 386">I don't think that the balance is on the powers.  I think 4E balances things on actions.I don't think it will ruin the balance.You should be able to do this every round with a Standard Action:- low damage- apply a minor condition (Prone, Forced Movement, Slowed)Every round.  If you ask, "What can this hand do?"  It won't ruin the balance of the game if you decide to use it to make an attack or apply a condition.  Every single round, regardless of the circumstances.That's why we don't have to worry about what Mage Hand can do.Yes it is.  It rewards people who get into the game.*How does this work, though?  In the OP I talked about using Diabolic Grasp to knock someone Prone - basically, trading Slide for Prone.Is this a fair exchange?  What about other powers doing the same thing - instead of a -2 to attacks for one round from Witchfire, could you say it's Prone?What if you used the hand to burn his eyeballs out, making him Blind?  Too much?Do you even have to worry about applying different Conditions?Does it remove tactical choices from the players?  Does doing this add to them?  That is the biggest point, I think.  If the powers end up being "do anything", on the one extreme, would you then have more choice because you have to realize what the best thing to do right now would be?If we allow this sort of thing with a penalty for failure, what sorts of penalties should they be?  If I want to use my At-Will power to blind someone, should that be a bigger penalty than if I just want to knock him down?  If so, how much, and should you even allow the option to Blind someone with an At-Will?</blockquote>

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