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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 3564381" data-attributes="member: 114">I can understand the rogue/ranger/druid/monk, since they have it as class skills - but even then it would normally be, what... 13 ranks, maybe +4 for Wisdom (higher for druid, lower for rogue/ranger) so about +17 to spot. Druids could then wildshape into an eagle for a racial +8 bonus to spot too, but they are probably the most special case here.While the other classes - how many of them bolster their cross-class spot at 2 skill points per, to get 5 ranks + wisdom bonus at this level? i.e. what is the fighters spot? the sorcerers spot? the paladins spot?If a DM regularly calls for spot checks, players will quickly twig this and those classes that can get spot/listen as class skills quickly optimise them (one game I play in calls for a spot check about twice as often as every other check put together!)</blockquote>