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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 3576597" data-attributes="member: 5889">And a rogue would have 9 ranks in hide with a +4 dex bonus, and +3 for distance (30 feet away and still in SA range). The only time I see the &quot;can't sneak up on the party problem&quot; is at high levels. And there are lots of things about high levels that are different from low levels. High levels is about specialization, the ultimate fighter, the ultimate scout, the ultimate wizard. You can not expect to sneak up on Tom Tom, who can literally detect invisible creatures without magic sometimes, without being the ultimate sneak. Since this is rare, as a dm you have to make the event very special. If you decide, &quot;hey I'm going to sneak up on my high level party&quot; in this adventure, go all out. Full hide, huge dex, huge items to give hide bonuses, negate blindsight items, whatever. And then go to town on your party. But that was your time, then the next 10 sessions the party sees every guy coming a mile away, its what high level characters do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 3576597, member: 5889"] And a rogue would have 9 ranks in hide with a +4 dex bonus, and +3 for distance (30 feet away and still in SA range). The only time I see the "can't sneak up on the party problem" is at high levels. And there are lots of things about high levels that are different from low levels. High levels is about specialization, the ultimate fighter, the ultimate scout, the ultimate wizard. You can not expect to sneak up on Tom Tom, who can literally detect invisible creatures without magic sometimes, without being the ultimate sneak. Since this is rare, as a dm you have to make the event very special. If you decide, "hey I'm going to sneak up on my high level party" in this adventure, go all out. Full hide, huge dex, huge items to give hide bonuses, negate blindsight items, whatever. And then go to town on your party. But that was your time, then the next 10 sessions the party sees every guy coming a mile away, its what high level characters do. [/QUOTE]

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