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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chimera" data-source="post: 1876535" data-attributes="member: 2002">Wasn't that way on my end.  Was all the players deciding that I should let them get away with anything they wanted to do, regardless of how silly, suicidal or just plain stupid their plan was.  Then deciding that they should argue with the GM when he(me) said that their plan wouldn't work and they should do something else.Me, I would take that as a firm clue that I should do something else...Such as in the last case.  I asked them why they decided the business manager was guilty and threatened him with death in the common room of the inn owned by a guy the wizard had deliberately declared to be his enemy (for no apparent reason).  They had no real answer for me.I pulled their butts out of it by having the guy come to them after the kidnapping attempt (surrounded by town guards) to tell them the information that they SHOULD have gotten from him peacefully.I went out of my way to salvage adventures and hand-hold them through even simple adventures, because they were intent on arguing every freaking thing that didn't go their way.Fourth Story (to illustrate the point).During some downtime, Corm the Dwarf Ranger, takes on a job supervising six commoner dwarves digging sewer tunnels.  After six months of this, the group decides to go adventuring again.Corm leaves his gold (8 bars totalling 20,000 silver dollars value) in the custody of the six commoners while he goes off.  Of course, when he returns two months later, one of the dwarves is gone - with Corm's gold.  To me, no big surprise.  These commoners make 125 dollars a month.(Imagine that you supervise six mooks making $15,000 per year digging tunnels.  Would you take off for several months, trusting them to guard your suitcase filled with $200,000 in cash?)Well, the entire purpose of this was to set up the next adventure, entitled "The Search for Corm's Gold".But the player in question had a fit.  I was stealing his gold, I was unfair, the dwarf should never have stolen it....whine, whine, whine.  The wizard player (another whining git) backed him up.  The group nearly broke up just over that!</blockquote>

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