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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5125856" data-attributes="member: 82106">I totally agree, they do get pretty silly. In this case though the question at least is worth answering as it makes a pretty big difference as to what the feat actually accomplishes.FWIW my feeling is that 'states' and 'triggers' are not things that in and of themselves 'happen', they just 'are'. IE when you hit 0 hit points you simply "are unconscious", it doesn't happen like an action, its simply a 'state' (in this case actually a specific condition) that you are in when you have 0 hit points. Triggers themselves are pretty much analogous, when the triggering conditions are met the trigger simply 'happens', at which point whatever sort of action it triggers is initiated. I agree that there is no distinct 'damage action'. Damage is simply what happens at step 5 of resolving an attack. If a trigger happened on 'taking damage' then it would definitely be possible for it to roll back the triggering action by RAW. When the trigger is a result of a specific state being true, then it isn't really happening because of the action that did the damage, nor in this case is it even modifying the attack, its just doing "something else". It seems to be true that it is happening DURING the attack, but then again step 5 is the end of the attack so we can't even say that for sure.This is definitely one for the WotC rules lawyer Q&A board. At least someone there will have already answered a dozen like it, even if their answers aren't really any better than ours.</blockquote>

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