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<blockquote data-quote="kaomera" data-source="post: 5132682" data-attributes="member: 38357"><p>OK, this has been confusing the heck out of me... But I think I understand it now. (Hopefully if I do it will be helpful to others, and if I don't someone will point out where I've gone wrong.)</p><p></p><p>Now, my problem, personally, was that between reading this thread, a thread on the WotC boards, and a chat with a friend I ended up fixating on whether there should be a "gap" (timing-wise) between the damage being inflicted and "dropping to 0 hit points or fewer". Thing is: it doesn't matter.</p><p></p><p>OK, so in the normal course of play actions proceed one after the other and you complete each action before starting the next one.</p><p></p><p>With an Immediate Reaction you still proceed from one action to the next, but you get to jump in on another creature / character's <em>turn</em>, taking your IR action immediately after they have completed the action that contained the trigger (or at least completing all of the immediate, non-ongoing effects).</p><p></p><p>With an Immediate Interrupt you get to jump in on another creature / character's <em>action</em>. But you interrupt the action, not the trigger. The trigger tells you where to interrupt the action: immediately after whatever, uh, triggered it... And specifically before any other effects of that trigger. In essence, the II creates another effect of the trigger...</p><p></p><p>So in this case, there's no way for Ferocity to cause you to make the MBA before or even concurrent from dropping to 0 hp or below. You drop to 0 (or below), and then you (normally) would fall unconscious, gain the Dying condition, and the II takes effect; but the II says to make the MBA first (because it's an Interrupt). You could gain THP or Resist or whatever, but you're still already at 0 hp (or below) real hps.</p><p></p><p>Note that the wording could be a bit odd, still. I think that by RAI you should gain the MBA only when going from positive hps to non-positive hps... But "drop to" isn't specifically defined. If it triggers from dropping from negative hps to a lower negative value a Minotaur with the racial Paragon path could get interesting...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kaomera, post: 5132682, member: 38357"] OK, this has been confusing the heck out of me... But I think I understand it now. (Hopefully if I do it will be helpful to others, and if I don't someone will point out where I've gone wrong.) Now, my problem, personally, was that between reading this thread, a thread on the WotC boards, and a chat with a friend I ended up fixating on whether there should be a "gap" (timing-wise) between the damage being inflicted and "dropping to 0 hit points or fewer". Thing is: it doesn't matter. OK, so in the normal course of play actions proceed one after the other and you complete each action before starting the next one. With an Immediate Reaction you still proceed from one action to the next, but you get to jump in on another creature / character's [i]turn[/i], taking your IR action immediately after they have completed the action that contained the trigger (or at least completing all of the immediate, non-ongoing effects). With an Immediate Interrupt you get to jump in on another creature / character's [i]action[/i]. But you interrupt the action, not the trigger. The trigger tells you where to interrupt the action: immediately after whatever, uh, triggered it... And specifically before any other effects of that trigger. In essence, the II creates another effect of the trigger... So in this case, there's no way for Ferocity to cause you to make the MBA before or even concurrent from dropping to 0 hp or below. You drop to 0 (or below), and then you (normally) would fall unconscious, gain the Dying condition, and the II takes effect; but the II says to make the MBA first (because it's an Interrupt). You could gain THP or Resist or whatever, but you're still already at 0 hp (or below) real hps. Note that the wording could be a bit odd, still. I think that by RAI you should gain the MBA only when going from positive hps to non-positive hps... But "drop to" isn't specifically defined. If it triggers from dropping from negative hps to a lower negative value a Minotaur with the racial Paragon path could get interesting... [/QUOTE]
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