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<blockquote data-quote="Dingleberry" data-source="post: 695619" data-attributes="member: 490">I had a similar question from a player with a sorcerer PC addressing the interaction between alter self and polymorph self.&nbsp; The specific multi-part question was:&quot;If I've already used alter self to get wings, then I polymorph into a minotaur, does the minotaur have wings?&nbsp; If not, can I use alter self to add wings AFTER I've polymorphed into the minotaur?&nbsp; If so, do I still have wings when I change back?&quot;First off, I couldn't find a clear answer in the rules.&nbsp; That said, I ruled that polymorph (as well ats its dismissal or dispelling) wipes out any alter self changes, but alter self CAN be used on a polymorphed form.&nbsp; In other words, no to his first question, yes to the second, and no to the third.My reasoning is that polymorph is like hitting the &quot;form reset&quot; button, which clears all previous modifications.&nbsp; I viewed the healing effect of polymorphing as support for this position.&nbsp; The obvious counter-argument is that it's an ongoing magic effect, like bull's strength, and should therefore all prior modifications should carry over to the new form - but I didn't find that as compelling.I would treat wildshape the same way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dingleberry, post: 695619, member: 490"] I had a similar question from a player with a sorcerer PC addressing the interaction between [i]alter self[/i] and [i]polymorph self[/i]. The specific multi-part question was: "If I've already used [i]alter self[/i] to get wings, then I [i]polymorph[/i] into a minotaur, does the minotaur have wings? If not, can I use [i]alter self[/i] to add wings AFTER I've polymorphed into the minotaur? If so, do I still have wings when I change back?" First off, I couldn't find a clear answer in the rules. That said, I ruled that [i]polymorph[/i] (as well ats its dismissal or dispelling) wipes out any [i]alter self[/i] changes, but [i] alter self[/i] CAN be used on a polymorphed form. In other words, no to his first question, yes to the second, and no to the third. My reasoning is that [i]polymorph[/i] is like hitting the "form reset" button, which clears all previous modifications. I viewed the healing effect of polymorphing as support for this position. The obvious counter-argument is that it's an ongoing magic effect, like [i]bull's strength[/i], and should therefore all prior modifications should carry over to the new form - but I didn't find that as compelling. I would treat [i]wildshape[/i] the same way. [/QUOTE]

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