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<blockquote data-quote="Keenath" data-source="post: 4524993" data-attributes="member: 59792">Punching yourself in the face isn't really &quot;genius&quot; in any case; any reasonable GM should treat &quot;fell unconscious from nonlethal damage&quot; the same as &quot;threw down his weapons and voluntarily surrendered&quot;.&nbsp; If you declared getting on the ground with your hands behind your head, or similar, I'd treat it the same way as nonlethal damage, for the most part, and it wouldn't be as silly as socking yourself in the head. (Though I'd probably have done total defense and a five-foot step if it were me...)Anyway, that aside, the real question is -- do you really think it's a good idea to surrender to a demon?&nbsp; I'd have killed you too.&nbsp; Only it wouldn't be CDG; he'd just step into your space and continue fighting the others while stomping on you with both talon attacks until you died.That said, this is a really stupid fight to be in; a vock is five levels higher than your party.&nbsp; Of course you got killed.&nbsp; I'm shocked it wasn't a TPK.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Keenath, post: 4524993, member: 59792"] Punching yourself in the face isn't really "genius" in any case; any reasonable GM should treat "fell unconscious from nonlethal damage" the same as "threw down his weapons and voluntarily surrendered". If you declared getting on the ground with your hands behind your head, or similar, I'd treat it the same way as nonlethal damage, for the most part, and it wouldn't be as silly as socking yourself in the head. (Though I'd probably have done total defense and a five-foot step if it were me...) Anyway, that aside, the real question is -- do you really think it's a good idea to surrender to a demon? I'd have killed you too. Only it wouldn't be CDG; he'd just step into your space and continue fighting the others while stomping on you with both talon attacks until you died. That said, this is a really stupid fight to be in; a vock is five levels higher than your party. [I]Of course[/I] you got killed. I'm shocked it wasn't a TPK. [/QUOTE]

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