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<blockquote data-quote="Moff_Tarkin" data-source="post: 4525387" data-attributes="member: 14175">Let me try and get some more people on my side with a decent analogy.Imagine a guy walks into a bank, pulls out a gun and starts to rob the place. Soon, many police officers bust through the door, pull guns on him, and yell, “Drop the weapon!”Assuming the criminal isn’t crazy and doesn’t want to get shot, what does he do? He drops the weapon. He realizes that the police are currently focused on shooting him because he poses a major threat to those around him. By dropping the weapon and getting on the ground he puts himself in a non-threatening, helpless situation.I could have told the Vrock that I would serve him. But that would be cowardly and evil, even if I were lying. Or I could have feebly tried to play dead. If I were the Vrock, I wouldn’t trust any of it. If someone I was about to kill said “I will serve you” or simply tried to play dead, I wouldn’t take the risk of trusting them. I would just use one of my multiple attacks to finish him.Has for the meta-gaming accusations. I may have used meta-gaming to run the numbers and possibilities, but the action itself was not actually meta-gaming. From the characters point of view, knocking himself out could keep the Vrock from attacking him. The same why the criminal knows that dropping the gun could keep the cops from shooting him.As for the cowardly accusations, there is a fine line between bravery and insanity. Facing almost certain death to accomplish something good is brave. Getting killed just so you can take one more attack that wont even dent the monster is insanity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Moff_Tarkin, post: 4525387, member: 14175"] Let me try and get some more people on my side with a decent analogy. Imagine a guy walks into a bank, pulls out a gun and starts to rob the place. Soon, many police officers bust through the door, pull guns on him, and yell, “Drop the weapon!” Assuming the criminal isn’t crazy and doesn’t want to get shot, what does he do? He drops the weapon. He realizes that the police are currently focused on shooting him because he poses a major threat to those around him. By dropping the weapon and getting on the ground he puts himself in a non-threatening, helpless situation. I could have told the Vrock that I would serve him. But that would be cowardly and evil, even if I were lying. Or I could have feebly tried to play dead. If I were the Vrock, I wouldn’t trust any of it. If someone I was about to kill said “I will serve you” or simply tried to play dead, I wouldn’t take the risk of trusting them. I would just use one of my multiple attacks to finish him. Has for the meta-gaming accusations. I may have used meta-gaming to run the numbers and possibilities, but the action itself was not actually meta-gaming. From the characters point of view, knocking himself out could keep the Vrock from attacking him. The same why the criminal knows that dropping the gun could keep the cops from shooting him. As for the cowardly accusations, there is a fine line between bravery and insanity. Facing almost certain death to accomplish something good is brave. Getting killed just so you can take one more attack that wont even dent the monster is insanity. [/QUOTE]

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