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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8788986" data-attributes="member: 87792">No they don't. You can &quot;participate in magical culture&quot; with a first level magical adept feat. Or the Eldritch Knight can learn as a result of defeat.Which is why telepathy and telekinesis should be first level feats.See the Eldritch Knight and Psi Warrior respectively.No it doesn't. The Phantom only needs to start exhibiting affinity with the dead after they start killing them. It's not why they became a rogue.Paladin does start at level 1. It's their subclass that doesn't as they learn what sort of paladin they are.Absolutely. And they then find which aspect of their faith they reflect as they spend time as a cleric.Yes. Warlock is a specific one where your pact needs to happen as part of your class. You got one. Congratulations. Never mind that I explicitly mentioned the Warlock as one that needs a level 1 subclassThat's called &quot;Being a bard&quot;This is a problem with the Druid class. The Shapeshifter IMO should be its own subclass - or several subclasses (I wouldn't say no to a wildshaping Ranger)That's called Being A Monk. Or, more accurately Monks learn techniques through study. But they also learn through the school of hard knocks.Here's a second. Congratulations.And they specialise as they study. The wizard still can focus at level 1 - it's called &quot;spell selection&quot;. Level 3 on the other hand is when you start to benefit from focus in a way no one else can.Indeed. All classes start at level 1. I'm not suggesting bringing back Prestige Classes. Subclasses on the other hand other than in rare cases don't have to start at level 1.And if you want to do that you can go point buy. Meanwhile classes are broader than subclasses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8788986, member: 87792"] No they don't. You can "participate in magical culture" with a first level magical adept feat. Or the Eldritch Knight can learn as a result of defeat. Which is why telepathy and telekinesis should be first level feats. See the Eldritch Knight and Psi Warrior respectively. No it doesn't. The Phantom only needs to start exhibiting affinity with the dead [I]after[/I] they start killing them. It's not why they became a rogue. [I]Paladin[/I] does start at level 1. It's their subclass that doesn't as they learn what sort of paladin they are. Absolutely. And they then find which aspect of their faith they reflect as they spend time as a cleric. Yes. Warlock is a specific one where your pact needs to happen as part of your class. You got one. Congratulations. Never mind that [I]I explicitly mentioned the Warlock as one that needs a level 1 subclass[/I] That's called "Being a bard" This is a problem with the Druid class. The Shapeshifter IMO should be its own subclass - or several subclasses (I wouldn't say no to a wildshaping Ranger) That's called Being A Monk. Or, more accurately Monks learn techniques through study. But they also learn through the school of hard knocks. Here's a second. Congratulations. And they specialise as they study. The wizard still [I]can[/I] focus at level 1 - it's called "spell selection". Level 3 on the other hand is when you start to [I]benefit[/I] from focus in a way no one else can. Indeed. [B]All classes start at level 1.[/B] I'm not suggesting bringing back Prestige Classes. [I]Subclasses[/I] on the other hand other than in rare cases don't have to start at level 1. And if you want to do that you can go point buy. Meanwhile classes are broader than subclasses. [/QUOTE]

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